YES, LET THE SOUTH SUDANESE FIGHT THEMSELVES OUT
The Matrix Trilogy is one of the best movie experiences if you watch all three movies back to back. In the first one, one of the characters says to Neo after his first foray into the simulated city and losing his focus on a beautiful woman, "to deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human".
That is a very important statement in the current predicament playing out in the young republic of South Sudan. You see one of the most important human impulses is the 'search for superiority' over other lesser beings be them humans themselves. This is why for millennia, strong willed humans have rallied 'believers' around themselves and attempted to take power over other humans in their jurisdictions.
However, the first thing one does even before rallying the so-called believers is to understand that power is never a vacuum unless in the most rare of circumstances. There is always another 'wiser-than-thou' or 'stronger-than-the-rest' individual that whoever has new ideas needs to wrest that power from. Now if it ever gets to that, I dare say, the end justifies the means.
You see Reik Machar is no fool, just like Salva Kiir isn't one either. This is why both men know that at the current 'standing of issues', there cannot be two bulls in the same kraal (read South Sudan). This is why despite the best efforts of the other 'leaders' in the region and around the world, these people will simply rest for a few months only for them to resume the fight once again and in the event render the efforts of the mediating leaders STUPID.
We the Baganda have a statement we usually make whenever we find two people fighting, "baleke bemale eggoga" . This simple statement simply means 'let them fight to the end' or let them fight until one wins. So I dare say, let the two warring sides in the South Sudanese conflict fight out their frustration through sheer force, blood, bone and brutality. the sort of brutality that only humans are capable of masterminding.
The most important idea in this is of course to let the weaker person be beaten to the pulp and into submission and perhaps jail, exile or execution. This reasons has five strong dividends.
1. The winner will ensure that other individuals with that human impulse to overthrow him through anything other than democracy know the sort of brutality they must surmount first.
2. That the defeated are totally wiped out or mentally crippled to the extent that they would never even fathom capturing power through armed conflict.
3. That the eventual winner will be a fear no-nonsense man (i fail to see a woman in the picture) who will rule through an iron fist ans sheer brutal will to like a phoenix raise that country from the ashes onto a path of seriousness.
4. That the citizens will have pride in knowing that their PROBLEM (egoistic men) was resolved through the only means they have know how since 1000BC when egyptian pharaohs raided their villages for slaves i.e sheer human conceived brutality.
5. That when they look back at the Machar vs Kiir Civil War, they will do so with the agony of having lost millions of loved ones and billions of dollars in property and will thus think twice before they engage in that sort of foolery ever again.
As Niccolo Machiavelli wrote in The Prince, "when you have the enemy on the back foot and it is with-in your means, crush him totally to annihilate him and publicise what awaits those who fall foul of you". Similarly, Sun Tzu the legendary Chinese General wrote in The Art of War, "A snake beaten but not killed will rare its head and bite with a double dose of venom".
Thus I think in the South Sudanese conflict, none of them is willing to sue for peace thus there peace deals are simply helping them act like snakes that have been beaten and not necessarily killed.
I rest my case.
Kampala
A* comments
after all this typing... i judge u as a sadist. all we needed is to pray for them. may happen to you one day.
B* comments
You see, you have failed to realise that the reason for the fight is ascension to power and lording it over their citizens. Thus prayer and peace cannot achieve that because human impulse is biased towards brutality. good thing is, beyond the brutality, that's were peace is waiting after all, some conflicts are so bad that the people of those societies can never replicate them. just ask the Rwandese. I still say, let them fight it out.
A* comments
your philosophy is leading you to a different direction. its like finding your neighbor killing his wife due to the reasons mentioned above, all you say is "Let them fight themselves out"
C* comments
I like this......btw before any body calls you a saddist and tells us to pray for them,,, there is no solution to their war when both of them are alive or they stay in S/Sudan.... One of them must either go into exile or die. In other words, there is no peace with both leaders at the helm.
Thanx Buganda ku ntikko ambassador
B* comments
read Daniel Kalinaki's opinion article in today's Daily Monitor and Prof Mahmood Mamdani's serie in today's New Vision and you will see what i mean
A* comments
leaving Buganda shit aside... Yesterday we lost 2 brothers in South Sudan trying to earn bread for their families. Ugandans are being affected too. The "I dont care attitude" is costing us too.I have worked with Humanitarian organizations and I have seen refugees running to Uganda to seek refuge. Its not all about the leaders, all we care are the innocent lives down there, that are affected. I have seen people running to Uganda without anything like food, shelter, or any basic needs. they just availed themselves to us, and we had to help. some where even our own nationals. If you never take this at heart, you will never know and care about someone suffering. All you see is politics, mind about the grass too, when two elephants are fighting.
B* comments
you have to understand that for the grass to get greener and have a brighter future, one or both of the said elephants has to be eliminated totally, This modernist view of yours were you think that people like Slava Kiir and Riek Machar can just be talked into submition is 'dreamist' in reality, something has to give and war is the only avenue through which it will give.
A* comments
The day Someone creates a coupe in Uganda, someone will say that too. "Let them fight it out"
this was an interesting thread though
i am out
The Matrix Trilogy is one of the best movie experiences if you watch all three movies back to back. In the first one, one of the characters says to Neo after his first foray into the simulated city and losing his focus on a beautiful woman, "to deny our own impulses is to deny the very thing that makes us human".
That is a very important statement in the current predicament playing out in the young republic of South Sudan. You see one of the most important human impulses is the 'search for superiority' over other lesser beings be them humans themselves. This is why for millennia, strong willed humans have rallied 'believers' around themselves and attempted to take power over other humans in their jurisdictions.
However, the first thing one does even before rallying the so-called believers is to understand that power is never a vacuum unless in the most rare of circumstances. There is always another 'wiser-than-thou' or 'stronger-than-the-rest' individual that whoever has new ideas needs to wrest that power from. Now if it ever gets to that, I dare say, the end justifies the means.
You see Reik Machar is no fool, just like Salva Kiir isn't one either. This is why both men know that at the current 'standing of issues', there cannot be two bulls in the same kraal (read South Sudan). This is why despite the best efforts of the other 'leaders' in the region and around the world, these people will simply rest for a few months only for them to resume the fight once again and in the event render the efforts of the mediating leaders STUPID.
We the Baganda have a statement we usually make whenever we find two people fighting, "baleke bemale eggoga" . This simple statement simply means 'let them fight to the end' or let them fight until one wins. So I dare say, let the two warring sides in the South Sudanese conflict fight out their frustration through sheer force, blood, bone and brutality. the sort of brutality that only humans are capable of masterminding.
The most important idea in this is of course to let the weaker person be beaten to the pulp and into submission and perhaps jail, exile or execution. This reasons has five strong dividends.
1. The winner will ensure that other individuals with that human impulse to overthrow him through anything other than democracy know the sort of brutality they must surmount first.
2. That the defeated are totally wiped out or mentally crippled to the extent that they would never even fathom capturing power through armed conflict.
3. That the eventual winner will be a fear no-nonsense man (i fail to see a woman in the picture) who will rule through an iron fist ans sheer brutal will to like a phoenix raise that country from the ashes onto a path of seriousness.
4. That the citizens will have pride in knowing that their PROBLEM (egoistic men) was resolved through the only means they have know how since 1000BC when egyptian pharaohs raided their villages for slaves i.e sheer human conceived brutality.
5. That when they look back at the Machar vs Kiir Civil War, they will do so with the agony of having lost millions of loved ones and billions of dollars in property and will thus think twice before they engage in that sort of foolery ever again.
As Niccolo Machiavelli wrote in The Prince, "when you have the enemy on the back foot and it is with-in your means, crush him totally to annihilate him and publicise what awaits those who fall foul of you". Similarly, Sun Tzu the legendary Chinese General wrote in The Art of War, "A snake beaten but not killed will rare its head and bite with a double dose of venom".
Thus I think in the South Sudanese conflict, none of them is willing to sue for peace thus there peace deals are simply helping them act like snakes that have been beaten and not necessarily killed.
I rest my case.
Kampala
A* comments
after all this typing... i judge u as a sadist. all we needed is to pray for them. may happen to you one day.
B* comments
You see, you have failed to realise that the reason for the fight is ascension to power and lording it over their citizens. Thus prayer and peace cannot achieve that because human impulse is biased towards brutality. good thing is, beyond the brutality, that's were peace is waiting after all, some conflicts are so bad that the people of those societies can never replicate them. just ask the Rwandese. I still say, let them fight it out.
A* comments
your philosophy is leading you to a different direction. its like finding your neighbor killing his wife due to the reasons mentioned above, all you say is "Let them fight themselves out"
C* comments
I like this......btw before any body calls you a saddist and tells us to pray for them,,, there is no solution to their war when both of them are alive or they stay in S/Sudan.... One of them must either go into exile or die. In other words, there is no peace with both leaders at the helm.
Thanx Buganda ku ntikko ambassador
B* comments
read Daniel Kalinaki's opinion article in today's Daily Monitor and Prof Mahmood Mamdani's serie in today's New Vision and you will see what i mean
A* comments
leaving Buganda shit aside... Yesterday we lost 2 brothers in South Sudan trying to earn bread for their families. Ugandans are being affected too. The "I dont care attitude" is costing us too.I have worked with Humanitarian organizations and I have seen refugees running to Uganda to seek refuge. Its not all about the leaders, all we care are the innocent lives down there, that are affected. I have seen people running to Uganda without anything like food, shelter, or any basic needs. they just availed themselves to us, and we had to help. some where even our own nationals. If you never take this at heart, you will never know and care about someone suffering. All you see is politics, mind about the grass too, when two elephants are fighting.
B* comments
you have to understand that for the grass to get greener and have a brighter future, one or both of the said elephants has to be eliminated totally, This modernist view of yours were you think that people like Slava Kiir and Riek Machar can just be talked into submition is 'dreamist' in reality, something has to give and war is the only avenue through which it will give.
A* comments
The day Someone creates a coupe in Uganda, someone will say that too. "Let them fight it out"
this was an interesting thread though
i am out
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